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Haveunique
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So with what you just wrote, Milla, it turns out indifference, as you defined it, cannot be balance? _________________ Не пытайся - делай. Try not, do. http://ouluwingchun.wordpress.com/ https://www.facebook.com/TraditionalWingChunOulu

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So with what you just wrote, Milla, it turns out indifference, as you defined it, cannot be balance?

Why do think so, Tetyana?
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With indifference you turn away from the matter altogether, and gain balance by momentarily leaving the circle. But, if you stay in the moment that is causing you stress and enthusiams, face it and calm down, you have not turn away from it, but are kind of turned withing it. It's like being so in that you are actually out. And there serenity, inner silence and balance are found.

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If we turn this into actions - I understand the serenity, how to do it and what effects it brings. What about indifference? Isn't it like running away and pretending the situation is not there? What are the chances that the unresolved issue will come back to be solved? ))))

Exactly so. Smile

It's like always with running away - you are bound to thing you run away from. The unsolved matters will most likely come back still unsolved.

I am just making sure I understood you correctly Smile

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I would say it like that. Indifference does not help you if you want to get anything done considering the situation. But if you want to leave that situation altogether, then you can turn to other things, and face other factors of stress and enthusiasm. _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee "Have fun, do good, and the money will come." - Richard Branson "Believe in yourself. Keep writing." - Neil Gaiman

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I would say it like that. Indifference does not help you if you want to get anything done considering the situation. But if you want to leave that situation altogether, then you can turn to other things, and face other factors of stress and enthusiasm.

That is possible to do if the situation wasn't important in the first place. I find it impossible to fake indifference )) One can fool other people but never oneself. But then - can we see stress as a sign of care? Cool

To me it is a yes because people never stress for things they do not care about.
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Wow, gals, you have been busy changing the subject. :)

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To me, dishonesty means unbalanced feeling inside because lying means something is uncomfortable and the person is trying to hide it and pretend it is not there. Facing things requires courage,..

I wouldn't be so extreme about that (or anything, really). Sometimes you lie or withhold something, if you predict misunderstanding. Possible reasons: you are not in the mood for arguing, tired of it, or simply not the confrontational type. On that matter: do you think lying and withholding information (if you are not asked directly) are the same? Also, are there "white" lies?

About indifference. There were times in my life, when I was stuck being too occupied with a process. Only after leaving it be and taking a fresh breath, was it possible for me to go on.

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... people never stress for things they do not care about.

Tetyana, I would agree that generally you need to care in order to be stressed. But, there are situations where you don't really give a **** as much as boss does, for example, and you are too weak to Stay Alive and Avoid Zombies. ;)

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Sometimes you lie or withhold something, if you predict misunderstanding. Possible reasons: you are not in the mood for arguing, tired of it, or simply not the confrontational type. On that matter: do you think lying and withholding information (if you are not asked directly) are the same? Also, are there "white" lies?

I myself feel the difference of my own lying an honesty very well, and it always feels quite horrible to tell even a small lie. That is why I cannot use white lies. Witholding information depend on the situation. If I think that I am free to spread the info (it's not about someone else's life), and think that they will need it, I consider it as lying. But I also think everyone has their own gut-feeling about this.

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About indifference. There were times in my life, when I was stuck being too occupied with a process. Only after leaving it be and taking a fresh breath, was it possible for me to go on.

Good point, sometimes a different view point is needed to see the situation in a new light.

About caring and stress, I do believe they have connection. But there are also situations that you care about not because of the thing you do in it, but something associating with it.
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But, there are situations where you don't really give a **** as much as boss does, for example,

That is just an example of someone doing not their job. That means lying to oneself and stress is inevitable if nothing is done about that situation Very Happy

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and you are too weak to Stay Alive and Avoid Zombies. Wink

I'm not exactly sure what this comment refers to but I know for sure that a calm person can carry on a lot further than a stressed one, thank you for the poster reminder Razz

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I'm not exactly sure what this comment refers to but I know for sure that a calm person can carry on a lot further than a stressed one, thank you for the poster reminder :P :P :) :)

You've got it quite right. :)

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Do I understand it right, Artem, that by saying "too weak" you also mean "too stressed" because of not knowing yet how to avoid and get rid of stress? At least with the application of Wing Chun principles? _________________ Не пытайся - делай. Try not, do. http://ouluwingchun.wordpress.com/ https://www.facebook.com/TraditionalWingChunOulu Последний раз редактировалось: Haveunique (25.11.2013, 17:42), всего редактировалось 1 раз

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But there are also situations that you care about not because of the thing you do in it, but something associating with it.

So what does this mean, Milla? And does it matter why someone cares? If yes, to whom? Thank you.
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But there are also situations that you care about not because of the thing you do in it, but something associating with it.

So what does this mean, Milla?

The way I see it, we can see actions as they are, and we can see actions as symbols or messages. Calling someone has a different symbolism depending if you are calling to a friend in a far away country, or to a public office to leave a message to the machiene.

It is this symbol, that at least for me, is what the action means for you. You can be stressed of the action because of what it symbolises, not because you care about the action itself. Caring about things makes actions happen, but caring about the action, (for instance, of how other people understand the message or symbol ment to be expressed) might cause stress.

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And does it matter why someone cares? If yes, to whom?

I don't think I understand the question.. sorry.
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Caring about things makes actions happen, but caring about the action, (for instance, of how other people understand the message or symbol ment to be expressed) might cause stress.

Milla, is your example about caring what others think of your action? Because caring about the action itself is a different thing. What do you think is the difference? It is also directly related to stress or its absence.
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Caring about things makes actions happen, but caring about the action, (for instance, of how other people understand the message or symbol ment to be expressed) might cause stress.

The example is of both actually, because they intervene. Caring for the action means it has a meaning for you, and that is the reason you do it. Caring how other see the action means you feel insecure of your own reasoning, and why you care of the matter.

In both cases, there is emotions and stress, but they are of different kind. If you care for the action, the stress is associated with and competed by enthusiamism. It comes from the way you are doing the action, if you for instance stay in the schedule. In the latter situation, the stress in an additional factor not directly related to the action.
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