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Balance is important to both moving and standing in general and I find it one of the trickiest principles in Wing Chun: Balance is not just the outlook of the stance or the angle of the joints, but I need to be also relaxed and aware to stay in balance.

Compared to normal walking where center of bodyweight is hopping up and down, in wing chun we walk with bended knees and keep the bodyweight in one plane, and lower than normally in walking. This helps to keep balance in movements. The other one is to align body so that the weight is aligned in a column from the head to the toes.

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Milla, in what kind of walking does the body weight center hops up and down? Thanks!   
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Thanks Tetyana, that happens in normal human walking: that way the energy is converted to the next step, making walking energy efficient.   
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I see, the way I know by now that walking works is that hips make a sine curve, meaning there is no really hopping up and down, but rather a smooth wavy movement of the hip area. The head is supposed to stay on one level. Or do you have different information?   
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I see, thank you for noting me. I may have described this unclearly. It's true that the hip and the head do not hop up and down that much in normal walking (They may do that a little bit). But, the energy driven by feet moves up and fort, and so the center of bodyweight is directed either up or down (besides going forward). The even movement goes only forward as the up and down forces are lessened. However, this leads to points where the movement is easier to drive out of balance.

Also, now when you noted me this, one of the biggest differences between walking naturally and with bended knees is also the sideways rotation of the hip and bodyweight. In your stances, the hip stays in a certain angle toward the ground, both sides equally high.   

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I see, the way I know by now that walking works is that hips make a sine curve, meaning there is no really hopping up and down, but rather a smooth wavy movement of the hip area. The head is supposed to stay on one level. Or do you have different information?


Well, actually it depends on the person. You know, it's sometimes said that someone has spring in his step. Whe you walk energetically and your ponytail gos left and right, up and down. And you land on your heel and step from your toes... Then your head level goes up and down, sometimes quite considerably.

And we don't do this in Wing CHun Wink In order to stay on the same level we bend our knees, don't use too wide stance (which is good for balance but bad for speed) and step as smoothly as possible.   

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In order to stay on the same level we bend our knees, don't use too wide stance (which is good for balance but bad for speed)

I'd say the stance should be optimal for balance and speed Cool too wide stance won't work for high speed movement around the opponent, especially a bigger-size one.   

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Wouldn't I be able to learn to move even faster with wider stance and keep the body weight lower and lower? Or would it be best just to find an optimal place and stay there?

In my opinion the body weight point and the witdh of the stance could be altered according to situations, but only after when balance between these two has been learned.   

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Milla, one can never stay in one place, it's an illusion, things always keep changing, and so we move in and out of balance. The main task is to know what balance is and get back there as soon as you feel you are out. Take control of this.   
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Wouldn't I be able to learn to move even faster with wider stance and keep the body weight lower and lower? Or would it be best just to find an optimal place and stay there?

In my opinion the body weight point and the witdh of the stance could be altered according to situations, but only after when balance between these two has been learned.

You can move even remotely fast when you're in a wide stance?! And sitting low? You're cool then! The wider the stance, the more stable it is. And because of that, it's so much harder to alter it - both because of outer (when someone kicks you) and inner (when you want to move) sources.   

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Wouldn't I be able to learn to move even faster with wider stance and keep the body weight lower and lower? Or would it be best just to find an optimal place and stay there?

In my opinion the body weight point and the witdh of the stance could be altered according to situations, but only after when balance between these two has been learned.

You can move even remotely fast when you're in a wide stance?! And sitting low? You're cool then! The wider the stance, the more stable it is. And because of that, it's so much harder to alter it - both because of outer (when someone kicks you) and inner (when you want to move) sources.


No, I cannot even though I would like to. I just don't see why I could not get used to moving in greater speed with practise Smile   

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No, I cannot even though I would like to. I just don't see why I could not get used to moving in greater speed with practise Smile


You sure can do almost anything if you practice hard enough. And moving faster is one of the easy things to learn.

If you practice hard, your brain collects different situations and different responses to these situations and saves it somewhere for future references. So when you are in the same position later (after much practicing) your brain and body don't need to calculate several possible outcomes, they choose the one they know best which was previously applied in this situation and execute it without your conscious mind doing the maths. Which in turn gives you the speed - meaning you don't waste time thinking of what you should do to counter the atack.

And this is a reason why you need to do things correctly, otherwise you will learn the incorrect way and it will be so much harder to change (read erase and write anew) what's in your internal database.   

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And this is a reason why you need to do things correctly, otherwise you will learn the incorrect way and it will be so much harder to change (read erase and write anew) what's in your internal database.


Very true, and beacuse of that you also need to know what are the things you want to learn and why before you encage on learning them.   

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Both mental and physical balance consist of many parts that need to be in harmony with each other, so that the system does not fall. It does not matter that much what an individual part, for exapmle knees or hip, does. But the parts still have only a few places where they can be in balance with a said stance or situation.

I don't yet know if the options widen with practice, but I first need to learn the basic of balance before I can apply it further.   

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When I am not conscious of my environment, I am more easily affected by the athmosphere. But recently I have noticed that the environment may affect body and mind quite severely. For instance, during the weekend I was working taking down constructions after an event, and felt that people, me too, were tired and I started to become angry. But when I relaxed, found balance in work, the feeling cleared. I'm not sure if it was just me, or did the athmosphere change too.

Dear forum mates, what do you think? Have you experienced a situation where you found a balance within and felt that it affected the environment? Thank you!   

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