Three ways of learning
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I understand that human can stop there even without emotional reaction. To me it's more a tale of how too much curiosity toward irrelevant stuff can be harmful to my goals.   _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee
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Haveunique писал(а): | A human had emotions first, only after they are over, they can act. |
I guess it's one of the traits of being human and not such kind of animal We have emotions that govern our actions and it's what makes us human in my mind.   _________________ What doesn't destroy me, makes me stronger. - F. Nietzshe
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Gra-ach писал(а): | Haveunique писал(а): | A human had emotions first, only after they are over, they can act. |
I guess it's one of the traits of being human and not such kind of animal We have emotions that govern our actions and it's what makes us human in my mind. |
This talk makes me smile, because in my field of study the debate on which thing makes human a human, and differiates us from other animals, is still unresolved. For me, I don't think there is such a thing: We might have big brain or high potential for utilising our environment, but we are animals too, and cannot be ultimately differiated from the rest.
I don't know if other animals have the same kind of feelings as humans (At least the ones with high developed brain network might), but they can still be petrified by fear, or rage in anger. Some, like dogs, seem to comfort us, or express sadness toward hardship. Or at least it seems so. Because I am only a human, I am used to detect emotional signs humans make, I cannot understand the corresponding signs of rats or dolphins. I think from the human point of view, and that is what makes me a humanbeing.   _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee
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Gra-ach писал(а): | We have emotions that govern our actions and it's what makes us human in my mind. |
Ira, acting by emotions may have unpleasant, if not dangerous consequences... I think you know this
Milla, it is the ability to choose and act in an aware way that makes us human. Also, to choose if we govern our emotions or they do us.   _________________ Не пытайся - делай.
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I might be splitting hairs now, but Tetyana, do you know that other animals beside humans are not aware of their feelings or actions?
More over, even if that ability was what differs us from mammalians and birds and such, I don't know how many humans actually use that ability of awareness.   _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee
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What does splitting hairs mean?
Milla, from what I remember having learned, animals do not have a choice, they always act on their instinct. Humans choose, and there are cases when their choice goes against their instincts. I wish there are more aware people around... at least the ones learning to be aware, as it is a skill in our society   _________________ Не пытайся - делай.
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In Finnish the phrase means being meticulous or pedantic (and even overdoing it).
If it is so with animals, then Tetyana, how do you know you make a choise, instead of acting on instinct?   _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee
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You have picked on an extensive topic, Milla. Please remind me of this topic when we meet and can talk. All I say now is that fear-management is one example. People learning this skill refuse to act on instincts and question those very instincts. In some cases they seem to be so out of date that they prevent people from living their lives.
Is it so with animals that they do as their fear says or can choose to do something completely different? Thank you.   _________________ Не пытайся - делай.
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I'll keep that in mind.
Science as it is today cannot answer what goes on in the brain of animals (or humans, if they do not speak out). We can measure activities in brain reagions, but translating them to thoughts and awareness is yet not possible. I am not sure about behavioral studies, but there are recorded cases of animal behaviour. I recall cases of dogs saving their owners and a chicken covering it's youngsters from an eagle. One may argue that it is just another instinct of protecting something special, but to my mind it's the same thing with humans: something else becomes more valuable than can be achieved with fear.
About overdoing - sometimes going too deep into a matter just makes things more complicate rather than valuable   _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee
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Haveunique писал(а): | So it is not clear with animals if they can choose? Because with people it is, they can |
Exactly so   _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee
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For me best way to learn is combination of seeing and doing. First seeing what I need to do and then doing it myself over and over again.
Sometimes seeing can be helped with talking, but it's not needed most of the time.
Somethings can be remembered better when I find something 'new' or familiar with the thing I'm practicing.
Little things.   _________________ "Having 2 ears and one tongue means we should listen twice as much as we speak."
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Thank for your ideas Ville-Pekka. Be sure to read the follow up discussion, because there is some great insights after the few first ones. I would like you here what you think about animals, instincts and choices.   _________________ "As you think, so shall you become." - Bruce Lee
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